NL10 Flush King high. Mal joué?

[Kerriman]

Est-ce qu'il yavais moyen de m'en sortir, sans info sur mon adversaire? L'ais-je mal jouer. Si oui, quel à été mon erreur?

Soyez indulgent, je fait le pas du Limit au NL.

Merci.



Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
6 joueurs
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 joueurs) Hero est UTG avec K 9
Hero égalise, UTG+1 relance à $0.2, 3 folds, BB égalise, Hero égalise.
Flop: 5 3 2 ($0.65, 3 joueurs)
BB check, Hero mise $0.4, UTG+1 égalise, BB se couche.
Tournant: 9 ($1.45, 2 joueurs)
Hero mise $1, UTG+1 égalise.
Rivière: 2 ($3.45, 2 joueurs)
Hero mise $2, UTG+1 relance à $5, Hero égalise.
Résultats:
Pot final: $13.45

[Tayaout]

Fold préflop UTG.
UTG+1 relance préflop donc possibilité d'as dans sa main.
UTG+1 égalise ta mise sur tournant et te relance sur la river= monstre la majorité du temps.

De la façon dont tu commence ton post c'est évident qu'il a Ad dans sa main, essais de ne pas dire si tu perd la main, ça peut influencer nos analyses. Ta plus grosse erreur, limper UTG avec K9o. Tu es hors position avec une main marginal, même si ça serait du limit.

[sebasdess]

Preflop: easy fold. Oublie ça, les mains comme K9: tu es trop souvent dominé, et quand tu frappes, tu te feras rarement payé. De plus, tu es hors position. Position, position, position! C'est SUPER important la position! Sérieux, je ne sais pas si tu as pokertracker ou pokeroffice, mais si j'étais toi, je commencerais à m'en servir... et tu verras à quel point les statistiques parlent d'eux-mêmes...

Flop: La mise me va...
Tournant: J'aurais misé un peu moins à ces limites, quoiqu'encore, ça me va comme mise.
Rivière: check-call. Ne mise pas ici... En checkant, tu induis peut-etre un bluff (quoiqu'ici, j'en doute)... et avec le board pairé, ta flush commence à être marginal, surtout avec ton adversaire qui ne semble pas avoir peur de la flush jusqu'ici. Bref, en misant, tu vas te faire raisé par une main qui te bat... mais en checkant, tu peux caller des mains que tu bats...

[Kerriman]

Je pense comme un joueur de Limit SH. Mais en NL SH ais-je le luxe de folder K9 préflop? C'est impératif que derrière un raise je couche cette main, ce que je n'ai pas fait ici. Donc un énorme erreur. Je m'en rend bien compte maintenant. Et aussi, sur la river, lors de son raise, je ne peut que le mettre sur l'As.

J'avais la réponse sous les yeux, mais encore une session trop longue.

Merci.

[Tayaout]

Moi je fold K9o hors position que ce soit du NL ou FL. En fait les seules mains qui se joue en early sont des mains que tu dois raiser. À part les petits PP car tu peux caller des raises à cause des cotes implicites si tu frappe un set.

[Kerriman]

En SH aussi?

[Tayaout]

Oui, la position c'est ce qui est le plus important. Il faut leader ta main si tu veux la jouer et si tu open call, ca fait weak et les joueurs qui ont position sur toi vont te raiser s'ils sont moindrement compétent. Tu te retrouve donc désavantagé hors position et tu annonce une main faible si tu open call.

Le but n'est pas de gagner des petits pots, le but c'est de frapper un monstre et de vider le stack de ton adversaire.

[Crankman]

Kerriman,si tu commences au nl shorthanded...voici un texte de 2+2...ca devrais pas nuire!!




Some 6max Fundamentals

Now that I have decided to walk away from poker and pursue other ambitions, I have decided to give something back to community that I have received so much from. This comes from a player that played primarily (only) 6max 200NL, 400NL, and 600NL (when the games were fishy).

One of the hardest things I had to learn was the fundamentals of 6 max and how to play like a proper TAG for medium stakes. There is quite a lack of information on how to properly play 6 max TAG and I am mostly appalled at how the lower stakes players are completely missing out on the fundamentals. This post will merely cover the basics of 6 max, positional preflop play and image, and not quite on advanced play.

First thing I want to mention is position and the button. It is a no brainer to why position is so important in NL. Being last to act simply gives you a world of advantage over your opponents. That is why if you open up pokertracker and a large enough sample size, you will see that the button and CO is the most profitable position to play in.

I would also like to make a note here that you should almost never open limp. Open limping is just gross. Don't do it with suited connectors or whatnot. Raise rather than limp. Take down the blinds and move on to next hand. Open limping in 6 max is a very very big sin. DO NOT OPEN LIMP. Open raise.

For all you poker tracker statiticians out there, I play 22/18 and consider myself TAG.

When you are on the button and CO, consider yourself the gatekeeper. It is up to YOU to decide whether or not people get to enter a pot cheaply or not. And hell, why let them play out of position hands for cheap? Abuse the [censored] out of the button and CO. True tags understand this concept and abuse the [censored] out of the button. Hands that a true TAG will raise with if folded to them on the button / CO is: 22 -> AA, meaning every single pocket pair, every single Axs, every single suited connector, and a HUGE variety of high cards, A10o and better. That includes KJo, QJo. Hell, even any Axo if folded to them.

The reason you MUST do this is because:

1) you steal the blinds if they all fold
2) if they call you, they are playing a raised pot out of position and you have the advantage. Continuation betting with nothing often takes the pot down.
3) Flopping sets / monsters in unraised pots is basically a crap pot.
4) People are more likely to go broke on raised pots than unraised pots, they will bluff you more and ship more money your way.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?578668

One example of why you need to raise. Would I have stacked him in an unraised pot? Most likely not.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?578669

Another positional hand. If he doesn’t have an A, or draw, he folds to my raise. If he calls my raise, I can check behind for a free card. This play is better than calling his flop bet.



Example:

UTG limps, folds to you on the CO, you have 22. What do you do?

Answer: RAISE. How much to raise, 4-5x BB is good.

Example 2:

UTG limps, MP limps, you hold 22 on the button. What do you do?

Answer: RAISE THAT [censored] UP


If they call, you will take it down often enough with a continuation bet to make it profitable. And BTW, continuation bet 75-90% of the time. They will most likely fold a hand that didn’t hit.

So now that you understand basic fundamental button and CO play. It is time to figure out how to play UTG and MP.

UTG: You want to play real damn tight, fold suited connectors, fold high cards, fold Axs hands. But continue to raise pocket pairs in ANY POSITION. Pocket pairs have the ability to flop such powerful monsters that you just can’t fold them in any position. Raising pocket pairs is so mandatory. Assume 100BB stacks. You raise 44 in MP and get reraised. You call and flop comes 346, 2410, 410J, 345. You are stacking KK AA 100% of the time.
Don’t limp either. It is so transparent when a weaktight (who thinks he is a TAG) limps UTG, and calls you raise. He has small pocket pair or suited connector 99% of the time.
Continue to raise AJo and better. Folding QKo and KJo, as well as QJo is not bad play at all. These hands are pretty garbage out of position.

MP: You can still fold the QKo, KJo, or QJo, but start loosening up your standards. Start mixing up raising or folding those Axs hands, suited connectors.

Blinds: You want to play real tight in the blinds. Calling too many raises out of position is just a death trap. You don’t want to build big pots with marginal holdings in the blinds. Fold suited connectors, Axs, call with pocket pairs obviously.

But just because you are playing tight in the blinds doesn’t mean you are a big sissy either. Facing a button raise or an MP raise, if you hold hands like AK, AQ, JJ, 1010, RERAISE. It’s much much better to reraise these hands in the blinds that many SSNL players normally just call with.

Reraising these hands start to become advanced play so be careful. New players trying these things out often lose stacks because they are out of position and are bad post flop players.

Example:

You are in BB or SB with AK, AQ, JJ. UTG limps, MP limp, button limps. What do you do?

Answer: RAISE THAT [censored] UP. Raise it up to 6-7 even 8x bb depending on players. Take down the pot without even seeing a flop is better than checking and playing a multiway un raised pot.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?578721


Raising all these hands allows you to play raised pots against players that have no idea of positional or image. You will stack them more often than not. And don’t sissy up on continuation bets. Bet 75-90% of the time no matter board texture. Only if 2 people call you and u completely missed the flop can you decide to check and give up on the pot.

Example:

You have A8s on the button, UTG limps, you raise 5x BB and get called by BB and UTG.
Flop comes 48Q rainbow. BET 100% of the time if checked to you.

That covers the BASICS of positional preflop play.

Combo Draws

Another thing which I think is standard to most people but may not, is combo draws.

Hands where you have say 13-15 outs on the flop should be taken to the felt.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?578686

Here is an example of properly playing a combo draw. Same goes with open ended straight and flush draws. Play these hands strong and very fast. There is a ton of fold equity as well as getting money in being a 50/50 if they do decide to take their hand to the felt with you.

Best case scenario for the hand I played above is that everyone folds. Making them fold in spots like this is what makes playing combo draws this way profitable. You don’t profit by them calling a 50/50 shot. You profit making them fold.


I wanted to talk more about 2nd barrels, increasing range of reraising hands preflop, and pot control, but that is a bit more advanced than the basics and maybe I’ll write something later on.

In conclusion. Don’t make dramatically changes to your game. Start implementing one concept at a time. Don’t start raising 6-7% more hands just because I told you. Start one different hand at a time and slowly make changes.

I hope this helps the struggling low stakes player out there. If you keep these strategies and tactics in mind, it will definitely improve your play.

Post Extras:

[Tayaout]

"I would also like to make a note here that you should almost never open limp. Open limping is just gross. Don't do it with suited connectors or whatnot. Raise rather than limp. Take down the blinds and move on to next hand. Open limping in 6 max is a very very big sin. DO NOT OPEN LIMP. Open raise."


"Abuse the [censored] out of the button and CO. True tags understand this concept and abuse the [censored] out of the button."

[psyc0ld]

Très bon post, merci!