pas stratégie, mais regle MTT

[Caz]

bon je sais c pas de la stratégie, mais comme je veux discuter d'une règle en MTT, ben c la place je pense

si je me trompe, ben admin déplacé svp

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c arrivé ce soir au VIPoker et on a discuter longuement
finalement, il semble que Montfaucon tu avais bel et bien raison

il n'y qu'une clarification que j'aimerais que l'on apporte

le dealer burn et met le turn avant que le joueur est décidé sil appelait

la règle des robert's rules (version PDF page 14, point #8):

8. A dealing error for the fourth boardcard is rectified in a manner to least influence the identity of the boardcards that would have been used without the error. The dealer burns and deals what would have been the fifth card in the fourth card’s place. After this round of betting, the dealer reshuffles the deck, including the card that was taken out of play, but not including the burncards or discards. The dealer then cuts the deck and deals the final card without burning a card. If the fifth card is turned up prematurely, the deck is reshuffled and dealt in the same manner. [See “Section 16 – Explanations,” discussion #2, for more information on this rule.]

donc section 16 - explanations #2:

2. The rules given for rectifying a hold’em situation where the dealer has dealt the flop or another boardcard before all the betting action on a round are inferior, because the dealer is told to not burn a card on a redeal. Since the “no burn” rule is so common, there was no choice but to use it here. But at some point it would be good for poker for some major cardrooms to get together and agree to use the better rule, or a gaming commission to require the better rule be used. Here are the rules in question (the third rule and fourth rule in “Section 5 – Hold’em”).
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“If the dealer turns the fourth card on the board before the betting round is complete, the card is taken out of play for that round, even if subsequent players elect to fold. The betting is then completed. The dealer burns and turns what would have been the fifth card in the fourth card’s place. After this round of betting, the dealer reshuffles the deck, including the card that was taken out of play, but not including the burncards or discards. The dealer then cuts the deck and turns the final card without burning a card. (If the fifth card is turned up prematurely, the deck is reshuffled and dealt in the same manner.)”

The portion of this rule saying the dealer does not burn a card on the redeal is misguided. It is much harder for the dealer to control the card to be dealt if a burn is required. The applicable sentence in the rule should read, “The dealer then cuts the deck, burns a card, and turns the final card.”


la question est donc:
le dealer doit brûler ou non une carte après avoir rebrasser le paquet ?


suite de l'explanation #2:

The present method for handling a premature dealing on the turn is used to have what would have been the last board-card used on the turn, and not reshuffling the deck until just before the last card is dealt. This method has four-fifths of the boardcards remaining the same, albeit in a different order. It would be better to reshuffle before the turn, preserving the chance of receiving the prematurely dealt card on either of the last two cards, as opposed to cutting that chance in half. The superiority of retaining mathematical integrity by reshuffling right away is best illustrated if the prematurely dealt card makes a gutshot straight-flush for a player who has not yet acted, thus having the dealer error influencing that player's betting strategy.


est-ce seulement une suggestion qu'il fait ou si cette règle est désormais appliquer ?? (serait étrange puisquelle "s'oppose" a la règle ci-haut)

perso, c ca que j'ai dit quil fallait faire

c a dire rebrasser immédiatement avant le turn

[Caz]

après plusieurs post sur 2+2 B&M

il semble bien que le dealer NE BURN PAS de carte après le reshuffle

une des raisons:

quote from 2+2 B&M:
by not burning, the original turn card that was brought early can have a chance to come out again

[Psyche]

Envoyé par Caz

après plusieurs post sur 2+2 B&M

il semble bien que le dealer NE BURN PAS de carte après le reshuffle

une des raisons:

quote from 2+2 B&M:
by not burning, the original turn card that was brought early can have a chance to come out again

en effet, Caz.
la règle d'or lorsqu'on se pose des questions du genre, c'est qu'il faut que l'erreur affecte le moins possible ce qui aurait pu se passer.

donc, en rebrassant, c'est juste car on ne sait quelle carte sortira MAIS la carte qui a sorti lors de l'erreur PEUT sortir à nouveau (si disons cette carte aidait quelqu'un.).